Molly Knefel offers her take on the “both sides” argument that often surfaces regarding political parties or activist groups with differing beliefs, which suggests neither side is completely correct in their actions — especially when it comes to violence. Donald Trump’s comments in the aftermath of the events at Charlottesville is a recent example of “both sides-ism,” which failed to condemn Nazi ideas and hate speech without also attributing blame to those who oppose that thinking.

Molly and John Knefel are hosts of the longrunning progressive politics podcast, Radio Dispatch.

Music featured in the episode: “Untitled” by Tiny Victories