In light of the nomination of Gina Haspel as C.I.A. Director, John Knefel dispels the idea that torture tactics and unaccountability within the agency started after 9/11 and calls into question the not only the validity of Haspel as Director, but whether the C.I.A. should exist at all.
Molly and John Knefel are hosts of the longrunning progressive politics podcast, Radio Dispatch.
Music featured in the episode: "Awake” by Tycho